Sydney & NSW

[mshirb]

Gday all NSW wazers,

How is the wazing going?? Espically in the Hills area.

My main focus lately has been the main roads around the Hills, I have been working on setting them up as seperated one way roads if needed (Showground was recently updated, Windsor Rd is next, then Old Windsor Rd) I have done this as I believe it is a demand from the GPS and map problems that to solve these issues, the roads need to be in line with the GPS rather than the Aerial Overlay (which I dnt ever use due to the fact its an old map, and unreliable with areas like Kellyville)

The M2 appears done, however I am missing a few on and off ramps before I officially lock it off. Espically Pennant Hills Rd (its a mess and a half)

If there are any issues with Navigation or Junctions please file them as Update Requests and we can fix them up (remember you also have the power to create junctions if required)

I also ask anyone editing the maps to be careful of the overlay, if you trust that roads and streets have not been moved you may use the overlay, however, if you think it is too old, please use GPS points and drive over those roads a few times after you edit them, I'll come along later on and fix it respective of the GPS points (Again this is also a power you have if you made the road in the first place) but please look at the GPS points and if there are more than four reasonable GPS tracks to follow, use them rather than the overlay as this will eliminate map problems and solve GPS's jumping to roads they are not on.
Remember in Waze, you never see the Aerial overlay, so Users are none the wiser

Happy road munching. (sorry if im being too pushy :S)

Edit:
Just to point out how old it is, Kellyville still has a full Golf Course, the mean fiddler only has the front Carpark, Rouse Hill Town Centre is but a twinkle in the designers eye (not a scrap of land turned).
In fact, using the Castle Hill Homemaker Centre as a time marker, it is before November 2005. I think...

[mshirb]

I'll find out about North Sydney next week.

In terms of your naming I agree totally, but in regards would like to suggest some changes.

• For the M2 and M7, I disagree (sorry :S) but in terms of the Wazing label it suggests Freeways as "Interstate". The F3 for example is almost an interstate if not Major City to Major City (Sydney to Newcastle) Freeway, but the M2/M7 is still a "Sydney" Major Highway. Therefore I believe, LONG freeways such as F3 or Major City to Major City freeways be classified as such, and then M2, M7, M4 be classified as Major Highways (also they aren't free... Well M4 recently is but I guess you see my point)
• This then leads to Pacific Highway, Cumberland Highway as being Minor Highways, as they include Traffic lights, major intersections and the like along the road.
• Primary Streets are any road primarily used by a substantial amout of traffic with Traffic lights according to Waze, however, in Australia we have roads that are not Traffic Lit but are major Road ways. Therefore I believe we should base this on any road that takes a substantial amount of traffic, be it Road, Boulevard, Street.
  Maybe Primary streets can be seen as a mean to get a Road User from one suburb to the next, for example, Old Northern Rd is transport from Dural to Baulkham Hills.
• Suburb, NSW please As there is no distinction between States yet on Waze. Well at least on the road editor
• I have seen both too and I am currently changing it to abbreviations, for small screens, this makes it ALOT easier. I think its more of a choice as this is a mobile client rather than a Desktop client and the shorter the Road name as a whole the better.
• RAMPS!!! For ramps I believe using the Wiki's, for example "Exit to Windsor Rd" For the on ramps, use "[Highway] to [Major City]" for example, "M2 to Sydney" or "M2 to Canberra" (that one means to M7 and down to Canberra). However I can see issues where major arteries do not lead to Major Cities and therefore use the Street sign, maybe even direction "M2 Eastbound (Sydney)" and "M2 Westbound (Canberra)" However this can lead to short ramps having names to long. Please Discuss.

I will try and add a Topic for all Area Manager in Australia and suggest a lay out before we Wiki it. Lay out above.

[mshirb]

I hope we aren't sounding too demanding for managers lol

Ramps I think the UK approach is a good one - rather than Eastbound, perhaps [E] to save the real estate on screen. Perhaps ... entry ramps / roads should also indicate a toll with [$] if appropriate? Also, the ramp should just say "to XXX" - for example, "to Sydney" or "to Canberra".

I totally agree with that, great suggestion espically the [$] great idea

I'm OK with using Major highway for the M roads around Sydney (mine was a suggestion, not a delivery from on high ).

This ties in OK with Minor Hwy for the biggest main roads (Pac Hwy, Princes Hwy, Pennant Hills Rd etc).

Primary Streets are the ones marked yellow on your UBD, or on Whereis.

Whereis is an awesome idea is it more up to date?

Personal opinion suggests a "separated" road has an island or physical divider between the directions, where a normal road has only lines. Thoughts?

The road editor actually says Seperating line, not necessarily a seperated road. I thought this meant line in between the road... just a thing for athestics... Maybe ask other managers?

Also, and this is solely my interpretation, if joining side roads to split main roads (where there are two separate 1 way roads) the section of road that goes between the separated paths should be unnamed if it's just a big intersection, for example:

Code: Select all

                 ^ |
                 | |
Side Road -------+-+ [Separated main road]
                 | |
                 | v


That small section is unnamed, there are 2 junctions (one per road) with restricted turns as appropriate. This should allow audio routing in the future without unnecessary stages.

I'm guessing the alternative would be to terminate the split road at the intersection and start it up again after the junction. Is there a good reason to prefer one of those approaches?

Code: Select all

                 ^ |
                 \ /
Side Road --------+ [Main road]
                 / \
                 | v


I agree with the first interpretation as even Google Maps and Whereis uses seperate ways. But yes I agree with having an unnamed road for that The rejoining just seems messy.

Finally - if we're going to use Suburb, ST, (I'd suggest that that is possibly the only remaining point of debate) then we probably want the devs to add State support for Australia - surely it can't be that hard (must be there for the US, surely)? They could then make mass changes on the backend:

• Anything within GPS co-ordinates X,X .. X,X is "NSW" and so forth (care for ACT);
• Anything with "Suburb, ST" is trimmed and the state is populated properly.

Note you can multi-select streets and change the suburb, so it's not impossible - just a royal pain.

Send through the email to alpha@waze.com Ask em

[mshirb]

The ramps are great but I think it might not be applicable for the M2 roads to have the extra information on them, its just making it too long. I would thought M2 [W] would sufice...

[mshirb]

Very good

In regards to your email for the State, it seems Melbourne has been particitioning for it for a while. There is an Australian Topic in Language area.

[mshirb]

Windsor Rd is done.

[mshirb]

Hey all,

Just wanted to check how all the mapping is going??

Any issues??

[mshirb]

Cheers mate,

Slowly working my way round, Castle Hill is a huge area but please keep posting up roads if you come across them.

[mshirb]

I'll hunt bullman down if he gets it wrong haha only joking. For the cherrybrook and castle hill area, I think im part Area Manager with another guy I have never seen on Waze, which means its probably open to you to become area manager of there. Just start out small and slowly move up. It's alot of work for our area due to the limited amount of people around, there appears to be only three or four in our area that update and fix.

But by all means bullman join in with the mapping, just make sure you stick with the Forum Australian Wiki's specs

[mshirb]

Send alpha@waze.com an email saying you want to become an area manager and send them the permalink of where you want to manage.

Thanks for the Hills compliment, it took a long time to clean up the area, but we still need to add areas and DavidRa has done a great job on the residential areas.